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Chuck Trimble says:
Denis: First of all, when I went up on the hill, I was not aware that in a few weeks I would be elected Executive Director of NCAI. That is not the reason I went on the hill. Secondly, that was a time when hanbleceya was not a common thing like it is today. I was told in another e-mail that today "going up on the hill" is done for status mostly, and an almost common weekend pastime to some, especially on campuses and in urban Indian communities. One writer mentioned that it was a merit badge challenge to many young people. So, back in the 1960s and 1970s, it wasn't the frequency or number of vision quests that mattered, but what one got out of it that is good for himself and his people. Except in a private meeting with my staff, I never ever mentioned that hanbleceya when I served at NCAI, and am only talking about it now. But I was told immediately that telling about it was purely up to me. Black Elk told his visions to the world throught John Neihardt, and Sitting Bull told of his, one of which was a prediction of his own death. I am not an expert on sacred or spiritual matters of our people, only about my own experiences. I'm sorry if you were disappointed.
December 21st, 2009 at 3:15 PM
Denis Lucey says:
Dear Chuck,
As I finished updating my personal note book about three of the four visions that I have received in the last month, I paused to take a break and read your article, "On being a nobody".
It made me laugh and it made me cry. You totally missed the whole meaning of your hanbleceya (vision quest). You left the holy people on the mountain and went after an Indian leadership role that kept the real spiritual leadership in the "Out"doors, as you went "In"doors away from Mother Earth.
Your article gave the impression that you had only one vision quest in your life and it was after being selected to a premier leadership position. I've never heard of such a thing ever in the Indian spiritual traditional world!!! It seems that that cart got infront of the horse.
The best learning method is the discovery method, but this bests happens on spiritual matters when profound and prolong praying is involved. Your vision quest was just a hello statement from the Great Spirit asking you, "Why you didn't come sooner?" As is the proper way. NCAI choses their leadership by humans and not by humblely recognizing the Great Spirit's leadership selection. Your vacation time wasn't intended for your pleasure, but to annually and regularly pursue the Great Spirit in prayer and ceremony. Appointed beauracrats have vacations, Indians have ceremonial and family times.
Why didn't you bring the nameless Indian holy people into the spotlight?
It is not the quantity of blood that makes an Indian, rather it is the embrassment of the Great Spirit and Sacred Tradition/Knowledge that matters.
Denis Lucey
Santa Rosa, CA
December 21st, 2009 at 2:41 PM
gwywarrior says:
My topic is (TERO) stands for Tribal Employment Rights office. I have limited information regarding the topic and would invite collaboration. I understand that the TERO Act is supported by the Federal Government and that Federally recognized tribe can interpret the act anyway they see fit. I also undestand that the legislative body of the tribe makes the law that govern (TERO). I would assume that if tribes in acted the law it would be beneficial for tribal members. The Tribe I am writing about is the Cheorkee Nation. Because last month Coucilor Bill John Baker brought a resolution before the Cherokee Nation Council. The resolution was to require on the last casino to be built for the Cheorkee Nation (60,000) square feet to be built by Native American companies. He would rather have Cherokee Companies build the casino instead of companies from Texas, California, Georgia, Louisiana and spending the thousands of dollars made in there home states. He believes the money should be put back into our economy. This did not happen due to lack of support by other Cherokee Nation tribal council members and Cheif Chad Smith.
November 10th, 2009 at 3:11 PM
Sandy says:
Mr.Trimble,
It was an honor to see you and your wife again. My boys wished they could have met you since they have seen and heard many story's of you and my grandmother the late(Chief Esther R.Ross). Thank you for taking a few min. to visit with me, it was great to see you again. Thank you also for the wonderful colum you wrote about my mom/grandmother. Look forward to talking to you in the near future.
Sandy Allen-Klineburger
October 22nd, 2009 at 12:36 AM
heyjude says:
Wonderful article on indianz.com. You said what needs to be said and offered a positive, proactive solution to the name. Good thinking and writing!
October 5th, 2009 at 8:49 AM
Max Bet says:
Awesome article on dependency. Please look through our website and let me know what your thoughts are on our situation. We had a once in a lifetime opportunity that our leaders are to greedy to realize. We had a shot at true independence.
September 16th, 2009 at 7:58 PM
Zoey says:
I have read several of your articles and they have been very intersting to me. I would like to respond to you about a article on full blood. I am native american and mexican it always seem to me that I had to prove to the Tribal members of my identity. Its sad to hear the opinions of other native to have negative thoughts towards you, me or all those native who do not have full blood running in their veins. I listen to the elder of my tribe and the stories my grandfather told me about my people and how they suffered like any other tribe. Me and my daughter are apart of our ceremonies and speak our language both. I tell her we come from a strong family and we should not be a shamed of who we are! Its those people with negative opinions that remind me of the other half of me. Please let me share this story with you, one day it was picture day at school and I cried and was mad because my father put a dress on me and fix my hair up. I wanted braids and a choker to wear, so he finally gave in and i took my picture with braids and a choker I was the bomb! It was not over the native kids tried to put me in my place and to break me. I always new I was different since I was small I just wanted to fit in with all the other native kids. I lost my mother at a very young age and had my father for a while until his passing. He's love for my mother was true and real. When my father spoke with me he wanted me to have peace with who I was and to assure I was okay. I use to be ashamed of who I was, not anymore I am proud of who I am. When my dad came back from the vietnam war I learned so much from him and it was the human race! Some peole in this world are small minded in their opinions when ther is a whole world of mix breeds among us!
September 15th, 2009 at 5:40 PM
Zoey says:
I have read several of your articles and they have been very intersting to me. I would like to respond to you about a article on full blood. I am native american and mexican it always seem to me that I had to prove to the Tribal members of my identity. Its sad to hear the opinions of other native to have negative thoughts towards you, me or all those native who do not have full blood running in their veins. I listen to the elder of my tribe and the stories my grandfather told me about my people and how they suffered like any other tribe. Me and my daughter are apart of our ceremonies and speak our language both. I tell her we come from a strong family and we should not be a shamed of who we are! Its those people with negative opinions that remind me of the other half of me. Please let me share this story with you, one day it was picture day at school and I cried and was mad because my father put a dress on me and fix my hair up. I wanted braids and a choker to wear, so he finally gave in and i took my picture with braids and a choker I was the bomb! It was not over the native kids tried to put me in my place and to break me. I always new I was different since I was small I just wanted to fit in with all the other native kids. I lost my mother at a very young age and had my father for a while until his passing. He's love for my mother was true and real. When my father spoke with me he wanted me to have peace with who I was and to assure I was okay. I use to be ashamed of who I was, not anymore I am proud of who I am. When my dad came back from the vietnam war I learned so much from him and it was the human race! Some peole in this world are small minded in their opinions when ther is a whole world of mix breeds among us!
September 15th, 2009 at 5:03 PM
Chuck says:
Thanks, all of you, for your kind words. Jennifer: I remember you well, and I have the fondest memories of your parents. Anne also has good memories of those times at your house and at ours.
September 11th, 2009 at 9:27 AM
Jennifer M. Stevens says:
Dear Chuck,I was remembering you when I was little in Anandale, VA-you were good friends with my Dad Ernest L. Stevens Sr. and Patricia Stevens. I was curious to see where you were and Chuck Peone was telling me about your writing. I found your website and happy to have located you. I'm turning 37 this month-Ernie and Pats youngest daughter. I remember your's Katie. Been a long time. Sincerely, Jennifer
September 10th, 2009 at 10:51 PM
Jerry Peltier says:
Chuck,
Just finished reading your article on indianz.com "Take action to address despair" and found it a rather interesting point of view that not many people would understand as one of the root problems that prevent us from moving forward. For myself, I believe that it goes much deeper and starts much earlier in our peoples lives where those of us would choose the drink, but it is a start and one that is long overdo. If we start and/or continue to build our infrastructure then we can continue to build upon or bring in those industries that would/could help our people become self-sufficient and proud.
Thanks for letting me post.
September 9th, 2009 at 12:30 PM
Sue says:
I just finished reading your article on addressing despair on Pine Ridge Rez. Having been there several times, your words brought back many memories. For years I was a member of Helping Hands of Wounded Knee and bought several washers, dryers, refrigerators, propane, and electricity for many families. My niece and I also hauled a horse trailer full of nice goods, including nice clothes, bikes, TV's, kitchenware, and other household goods. We had our first one at Oglala and the other two at Pinky's in Manderson. Yes, I have bought a print or two at Big Bat's and a necklace or two at Wounded Knee, knowing that probably the money was going to White Clay. We never failed to stop and give anyone a lift that we saw walking on the Rez. We were never afraid for 2 Wasicu ladies. If we had extra crackers and water, we shared that. Once coming from the Badlands, we were in Scenic taking pictures and were approached by a couple asking for a ride. Of course we said yes, and to our amazement, the man told his wife she would have to empty her beer out because we could have been in trouble had we been stopped on Rez. They were headed for Porcupine, a healthy distance away to walk in that heat. We were shocked when she refused to get rid of her beer. The man said he would have to stay too to protect her. We left them with all our crackers and water. We were in White Clay several times because we were staying in Rushville until Lakota Resort was opened in Kyle. That was handy because I am a supporter of OLC and always enjoy visiting there and delighted when Tom Shortbull happened to be there. Sadly, i have had to cut back on support because of my own financial woes. I still try to send something to OLC, Running Strong for American Indian Youth, and NARF. I love the Lakota and am happy when I see a new little business open with help of Lakota Funds. I have had wonderful meals at Betty's Kitchen, though that is a heck of a drive up there, and delicious muffins at Coffee Shop in Pine Ridge, and great lodging at Lakota Resort and dinners there. I miss being on the Rez, now for 2 years. It is one of the most beautiful places on Earth. My very favorite place is Cuny Table Road.
September 9th, 2009 at 7:03 AM
heyjude says:
Great article on dependency. This has done more to destroy our culture and spirit than anything else.
September 8th, 2009 at 5:33 PM
MIKE says:
My father was born in Interior,SD in 1924.He was proud to be Indian!I am proud to be Indian! My bloodline has been questioned many times,even by some "Indian" relitives,I look as white as the driven snow but,I AM Indian!It really hurts.Ca I help whom I was born too?Can't I be proud of my ancesters as well?Please?Am I not allowed this? I have read that Crazy Horse the great Sioux warrior had light colored hair and eyes.Do we question his paternaty?I AM Indian!
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:41 PM
Arlene Bowman says:
I read an article or a description about racism written by you included in the indigenous people's literature, 3620. I can relate to what happened to you. Great writing.
August 22nd, 2009 at 12:48 PM
mike kohr says:
Congratulations on being awarded the 2009 Native American Journalists Association "Best Column." When I get the "Lakota Country Times" in the mail your column is the first thing I read.
mike kohr
August 16th, 2009 at 7:29 AM
Pisko says:
Chashasha... Get busy. Give us something to chew on. Aren't these the Dog Soldier Days of Summer?
August 15th, 2009 at 1:37 PM
heyjude says:
hey, there. been out of town and out of touch. how are you? Love the pics on facebook.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:22 PM
Vi Waln says:
I could never understand the resentment directed at me by my people who are "more" Lakota than me because the piece of paper issed by the BIA or the IRA government says they are. I admit I didnt grow up speaking the language but I have come a long way in learning my language, I doubt I will ever be as fluent as the people who grew up speaking the language and that is okay. I grew up on the rez and have always identified with the people here on Rosebud and called the rez "home". Also, We all have the same opportunities right? I mean the funding for college is available to all of us if we want a higher education. Chuck has written some excellent columns on victim mentality. I do think all this will actually go away if more of us realize we are not victims.
July 20th, 2009 at 6:38 AM
Chuck says:
Obama has described himself as mongrel, and proudly. The issue really needs to be discussed, and in a spirit of understanding and healing. Those who are fullblood, and those who are not but describe themselves as "traditional" do have some valid resentment; but what can the "privileged" Iyeskas do about it? I think some, such as my nemesis Lorenzo, would say, "Just go away," but that's not the answer. We too are Indians.
July 17th, 2009 at 5:27 AM
heyjude says:
Okay, let's discuss race and degree of blood. Under the system for recording degree, I am 11/16ths just under 3/4ths. I grew up Indian - there was not doubt about it. I was dark with black hair and eyes. I grew up feeling first Native, although I always knew that I had non-Native blood, too. I identify myself as Native. I know that growing up on a reservation, surrounded by white towns, the folks that ran those towns ideentified me as Native, too. So there was no dissonance. It was only much later that people started saying who was or wasn't Indian based on degree of blood. It's sort of like Obama. He looks black, but sounds like he feels white, tool. It's confusing. But I like who I am. How about all of you.
July 16th, 2009 at 8:34 PM
heyjude says:
Okay, let's discuss race and degree of blood. Under the system for recording degree, I am 11/16ths just under 3/4ths. I grew up Indian - there was not doubt about it. I was dark with black hair and eyes. I grew up feeling first Native, although I always knew that I had non-Native blood, too. I identify myself as Native. I know that growing up on a reservation, surrounded by white towns, the folks that ran those towns ideentified me as Native, too. So there was no dissonance. It was only much later that people started saying who was or wasn't Indian based on degree of blood. It's sort of like Obama. He looks black, but sounds like he feels white, tool. It's confusing. But I like who I am. How about all of you.
July 16th, 2009 at 8:34 PM
Pisko says:
Chuck, don't you DARE close down this blog. We need you. You walked into that mess at the Nebr State Historical Society and with your wisdom brought to an end a war I thought would last for generations. The punk blowhard puppies who are strutting around here contradictiong STanding Bear and saying THEIR blood is different from the rest of ours need to have their noses rubbed in the poop they leave on the floor and you are just the guy to do it.
July 14th, 2009 at 1:10 PM
No Shame Whatsoever Lorenzo says:
I take it Lorenzo you are referring to the statement of "Who Cares," and his reference to my tormentor in such descriptive terminology. I don't have my filter up yet Lorenzo to keep the acerbic venom out of the blog, otherwise Lorenzo you would certainly not be on. Besides Lorenzo to consider you as my tormentor by any stretch is not even close to accurate. However Lorenzo if he was referring to you, whoever the rascal was, I would not filter out such eloquence -- even disguised with asterisks -- in his most accurate portrayal of you. Sorry Lorenzo for any “hubris-driven ambiguity under the Lakota staff” that offends your warrior modesty and sensitivities.
As to your other nasty comment, I’m not sure anybody (fullbloods or mutts like me)is enamored by me/my works and I don’t trash anyone who doesn’t like my works. However, plenty of Lakota and other Native people read them and some tell me they enjoy them Lorenzo and that pleases me. My "fragile personality" is not easily cracked, but Lorenzo it is propped up by your seemingly enamored preoccupation in commenting on it at all hours of the day and night. I am flattered Lorenzo and will take your advice and SHINE ON.
July 14th, 2009 at 7:55 AM
Gregg McAuliff says:
As I read these posts I'm a little confused about how a persons lineage is flawed if it is not all one blood? I'm new here and have no Indian blood in my lineage that I am aware of but believe the diversity of people are such that if I looked I'd find some deep in the past, but my point is really how can one insist a persons position or passion can only be true or right if they are from one type of race, imagine the good that comes from the lessons we learn from our parents and then couple that when both are able to impart their own memories and wisdoms. Just my opinion.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:43 PM
Any Shame Chuck? says:
How come 'your camp' can use profane reference to your perceived 'tormentor' absent your checking them chuck for unbecoming phraseology? Only a white man cusses on impulse because in the full-blood world, modesty is the measure
of a 'warrior' 'elder' etc! How sure are you of this miscreant you've published as your 'tormentor?' You think only one full-blood disdains your hubris-driven ambiguity under the Lakota 'staff!' If you can't get to the back prairie places how can you really be a Lakota? As for NCAI, big hairy deal, nobody probably wanted the job! Chuck
be honest, how much res life did you really experience? Some just may not be enamored by you/your works chuck but to trash them is wrong! Some may not want to befriend such a fragile personality chuck who may always need emotional
'propping up' and may never be
"kola" material chuck...so I suggest you just work on befriending chuck and SHINE ON
July 13th, 2009 at 10:33 PM
Who cares? says:
Geez, Lorenzo, or whoever you are, get a job.
Hang in there, Chuck. At least we're getting to know more about who you are, and what a sick a**hole your tormentor is.
July 13th, 2009 at 8:16 PM
Chuck says:
Lorenzo Williams: I have realized that you are giving me the opportunity to tell the world about the honor I have felt being even half Indian. I could envy your boast of ethnic purity, or 4/4 Lakota as you claim. However, I can feel no shame for being the product of a great love between a caring, loving white man and a wonderful Lakota woman. I am the last and only remaining sibling of their thirteen children, all of whom grew up proud of our heritage, especially the Lakota blood. My father died before I was two, but my sisters and brothers made sure I knew what a wonderful man he was. He was not a man, as you claimed in an earlier post, that impregnated my Indian mother only to take her land. Theirs was a love that knew no boundaries of bigotry. Having lived three quarters of a century as a proud Iyeska, part white and part Lakota, and serving to create understanding betweeb those two worlds, I can feel no shame for my life. I don't understand why you want me to.
July 13th, 2009 at 7:44 PM
Congersman Chuck says:
I am pleased to inform you on national politics of Indian Country, Lorenzo Williams. You are indeed a good writer in the whiteman's language, and more so in the whiteman's phychology. You ought to write columns and essays for publication, under your traditional Lorenzo name. I think seriously that you are an excellent writer in English. Hang in there, Lorenzo Williams, we can become friends after all.
July 13th, 2009 at 7:15 PM
Congersman Chuck says:
In November 1972 I was selected by the Executive Council of the National Congress of American Indians to serve as the organization's Executive Director. In the NCAI Executive Council, each member Tribe has a single vote, and they elected the ED. They elected me for the honor, and I served their interest by representing the consensus of NCAI through 1976, six elections without one single voted cast against me in each annual election. I am very proud of that fact. I have never claimed to be a Congressman, and if anyone else has read that into my message, I humbly apologize. It is truly an honor to be selected by leaders of the tribes to represent thir interests.
July 13th, 2009 at 7:08 PM
Congressman Chuck? says:
There's a dispute that you were elected to Congress as your latest post intones. Set the record straight chuck, if so, what State did you represent in Congress? Thank you for settling down-it was unbecoming of you to engage ad hominen attacks on perceived insults! As a former member of Congress ["elected by Native people to represent their interests in Washington, DC."} you understand deportment and must have satisfied your constituency to the point of no unhappy voters! Wow, at the risk of getting your blood hot chuck, I absolutely disagree with you that you are every bit as Lakota as me & my 4/4 family! Thanks for the insight on your Irish lineage! Thanks for gathering yourself chuck!
July 13th, 2009 at 5:42 PM
Chuck says:
Oh, and by the way, I try never to expound. I speak only wisely and with as little rancor as possible. It improves communication immensely, I have found.
July 13th, 2009 at 2:42 PM
Chuck says:
White Side: When I talk, it is mostly about things that have no racial attachment, including baseball, art, music, books. So perhaps that can all be considered white. I haven't thought about it because it doesn't bother me all that much. When I write, I choose to write for a Native American readership about the experience I have gained over the years, elected by Native people to represent their interests in Washington, DC. When I write for mixed audiences, I try to give enlightment to things of historical interest in western and Native history and culture. Sometimes I write things that challenge my Indian friends and relatives and others to think about our common situation, and how to improve it. I have found that there is no WHITE culture. I enjoy my Irish lineage, and celebrate it every year on St Patrick's day. Other than that, there isn't much to talk about there. Being Indian -- however minimal I might be (and as an enrolled member, I am ever bit as much as you or anybody else)-- is great because there is so much in it. I love it and treasure it.
July 13th, 2009 at 2:38 PM
Your White Side Chuck says:
Do you ever expound about your majority WHITE lineage? That would be an interesting reading for me. I can't get from your articles that you can truly understand Lakota life. Lakota is your lineage of choice obviously but you are more White, so why not articulate how that was in your time on Pine Ridge. Why is this storyline suggestion racist or immature? You just have to accept that alot of Lakota are not going to relate
to you and you are neither their voice or elder! Does that make them too immature to
hear out? Really how do suppress your dad's side of the family views? Genetic research is making huge gains and as I understood some info,
we Lakota are part of the Mongoloid race but white people are Caucasoid, right. Can you isolate traits on either/both sides? How do you balance this all! We Lakota are raised to be modest and protective of lesser people and be generous etc...but white people have an insatiable appetite to attain things and arrive, right? Give me some insight, chuck!
July 13th, 2009 at 2:12 PM
Chuck says:
At NCAI, we would sometimes get applications for individual Indian membership: name of tribe and degree of Indian blood. Each year, it seems, we'd get someone claiming one third Indian. Think about it.
July 13th, 2009 at 2:09 PM
Chuck says:
In my columns I give my thoughts on issues, as honestly and as fully as I can. I don't expect to agree with me, although I like it when they do. And when they contact me at my email address or here in the blog, i will answer most messages -- no matter how strong their opposition, and I will answer with respect. But those that are strident and beligerant, I just ignore or tell the writer where he can go with their venom. Perhaps I can offer in the future to publish here an entire essay from someone who has opposing views. That would be interesting and productive for ourselves and our people.
July 13th, 2009 at 12:37 PM
heyjude says:
Thank you. It takes courage in the face of flak to continue and I applaud and support you. Let's do talk about degree of blood because it is part of who we are. But let's have a little respect for each other.
July 13th, 2009 at 12:33 PM
Chuck says:
I think it's important to talk about the fullblood and mixed blood tensions. In my archive there's a column I did on Iyeskas, which talks about this very issue. Download it, read it, and let's go from there.
July 13th, 2009 at 12:26 PM
Chuck says:
I've been given another chance at the Blog where I will be able to read and approve all posts. Just like owning a newspaper. Iktomi's being good to me.
July 13th, 2009 at 12:20 PM
heyjude says:
What's plain here is that it's not the opinions about what's going on in Native communities, but the belief by some - of any degree of Native blood that they - and only they - have a right to speak at all. I don't believe that Red Cloud, who adopted my mother as his daughter, would say that anyone who was not born 4/4 is not Lakota. He obviously felt that she was Lakota enough, although not 4/4.
What has been gained by the name calling against a 74 year old? What has been lost in terms of a place where we can talk about our communities and the issues confronting us? The place remained open with varying sides saying things, until the name calling began. It is unfair to expect ANYONE not to defend themselves. Shame on the haters. You make it easier for non-Natives to divide us.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:10 AM
Pride Goeth Before The Fall says:
Chuck, in reading your blog herein I note you can battle it out with wannabees and dismiss deemed unfavorable remarks/questions as racist [even stir up a chorus to join in-mixed bloods of course] and shot over the bow of Mr. Giago's ethics and all kinds of hubris-driven 'trash'
But when asked real questions and request for comment, you fall silent on topic resort- ing to, I'm taking my blog down [and going home]! Will you let the wannabees and giago supporters and wayward full-bloods defeat you? How come you can't take what's good for the goose is good for the gander? I can't fathom what its like to be a mixed-blood because I've always been 4/4! Conversely, how can you take such literary
license with being Lakota when
herein you advise us you are not even half Lakota? Stay and work on being an 'elder' that you so desire to be!
July 13th, 2009 at 8:36 AM
chuck says:
Thanks, Gregg. Much appreciated, although several people felt strongly that I had played down Custer's evil side by painting him as such an arrogant fool. It is something I hadn't intended to do. Again, thanks.
July 13th, 2009 at 7:50 AM
Gregg McAuliff says:
I was compelled to look in here because I had the opportunity to read a recent commentary you did in Indian Country Today, the July 8th issue. 'Custer the Plastic Icon' had to be one of the most interesting reads in my many years. Not only was it informative, but it was so very well written I purposely had several people that work for me read it and found they had similar opinions of the article. No, I am not of Indian heritage but as an American and very knowledgeable of our history and a lot of the issues the Indian nation had to endure over the last 100 plus years I have always had great respect to those that held onto their past and displayed it proudly. I will look forward to reading more from you and just wanted to show my appreciation.
July 13th, 2009 at 7:39 AM
Vi Waln says:
Good morning to all...I could have predicted that the age old "us versus them", self hating, full blood vs mixed blood mentality would be resorted to. If all else fails, please try to push my buttons by accusing me of not being Lakota enough. You fall right into where the government wants you to be. You gotta come up with a better one than that. Why cant you post your real name? Its very easy to attack one another when you are an anonymous typist hidden behind a computer screen. Have a great week, haters!
July 13th, 2009 at 5:40 AM
Finesse Required says:
Who you talking to in your latest post chuck? Are you doing OK? I followed this trail and I can't discern what you're mad about...this blog invites free speech then it seems when you don't agree with it, you start wholesale condemnation-I'd watch libel and defamation and cyber profanity...or are you and
'your camp' banking that the full-bloods won't move to vindicate their rights? I just think you're too sensitive myself! Did you make sarcastic
and possibly ignorant remarks about Lakota Country?
July 13th, 2009 at 12:10 AM
Chuck says:
One more time since I first answered you online several weeks ago:
"I have to admit -- no, I freely admit with great pride-- that I am mixed blood, an Iyeska Lakota. My great grandfather married a full blood woman of Spotted Tails's band, which resulted in my grandfather being one half. My grandpa married an Oglala full blood woman, which made my mother three quarters Lakota. My mother married a good and kind white man, which makes me three eights of very proud Oglala. I see nothing wrong with that, and there wouldn't be a helluva lot I could do if I did have problems with it.
I have communicated with you before, Lorenzo, and tolerated your arrogant attitude. But I do resent your insinuation that I am not a real Lakota unless I meet what you seem to think is your right to determine. That right, that decision in mine. And it is made with great pride, and there is not a damn thing you can do about it. I don't know who the hell you think you are. I know who I am, but you seem to have a problem with who you are, and what you are."
July 12th, 2009 at 9:02 PM
Spoken Like a Mixed Blood says:
Per 'vi waln', I still don't get why any remarks to the contrary that chuck is great are bad, immature or need psychiatric help? waln says 'our' people, she means you chuck because she's barely 1/2 Lakota herself! Plzz observe for yourself how mixed bloods have 'overed' on Lakota Country! Full-bloods are just simply too immature and childish to state their own thoughts! Take a look at tribal governments; BIA [bossing indians around]; OST and Dept of Interior, which probably are stops along the career paths of both chuck and vi but they still want to break their arms patting themselves on the backs! chuck
and vi we Lakota are not too immature to say our piece even if it wrinkles your clean WHITE sheets! We know what we have to deal with in places like South Dakota [i.e.
Winner, SD the 2009, Selma, AL
for people of color]! Think about has gone here today and before because Lakota have been speaking to you with enough honesty to dislodge age-old delusions taken for granted! Lakota country needs help but there are many mixed-bloods who will fight for status quo! Look even charlie colombe has become a Lakota!
July 12th, 2009 at 8:50 PM
Chuck says:
Thanks, Vi. Your comment is much appreciated. The man's name is Lorenzo Williams and he's from Rosebud. I have never met him or, as far as I know, have never tried to offend him personally. Again, thanks.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:38 PM
Vi Waln says:
I just want to thank you for your great columns! It is too bad that some people have to use your site as a place to vent their anger. Its that "disease of the mind" thing that they are engaging in. This is why I dont want a blog, our people are not emotionally healthy enough to post mature, thoughtful dialogues, instead they have to resort to their childish, hateful, immature posts that often resort to name calling. Stuff that mean little kids do, neh? Anyway, I appreciate your skill with the pen Mr. Trimble and I will continue to read your columns! Thanks for all you write!
July 12th, 2009 at 8:27 PM
Not Unhappy or Resentful To Red Lake Bear Chip says:
He's way less than half Lakota
and his people are more WHITE than Lakota! True Lakota are way more humble and modest than chuck is! That's why we LAKOTA were the only tribe to bring the US to the treaty table on OUR terms, right! Chuck other side soon broke the treaty-US is like Islam where it is absolutely Ok to swear a false oath! Bucket of crabs must be a bear chip saying! I have GREAT friends
on White Earth Res. {Mr. Bill Brown & family!}! Bill is a warrior from Korea but a very humble man if he has not made that final journey to heaven! Chuck there's plenty of real ELDERS out there you can learn from if you'd just accept who you are and stop impugning your readership!
July 12th, 2009 at 8:21 PM
Not Unhappy or Resentful says:
chuck are you going to leave us as a 75 yr-old baby? How come others can't exchange ideas with you/your readers from their point of view? How come you won't answer cogent questions posed to you? How come you imply they need psychiatric help because they won't hold to the 'chuck is a true Lakota' bandwagon! You have plain WHITEBOY audacity to poke fun at some Lakota having eaten dog to survive in characture! Get the haddes off the web WHITE BOY!
July 12th, 2009 at 7:39 PM
RedLakeChip says:
Hey Chuck. The lesson you should also learn is to stop that never ending bragging about the Sioux. The jerks that are driving you out of your blog are your own people, or I should say, your own bucket of crabs. Don't expect sympethy from me.
Youknowho...
July 12th, 2009 at 3:24 PM
Chuck says:
This is the end of my Blog! Ir will shut down at the end of this week.
I like to communicate ideas, and that is why I wanted to open a weblog, and why I always put my email address at the end of my columns that are published. I want to discuss those things I hope are important to Native Americans. Editors have asked me if I am sure I wanted my e-mail and website address published, and have advised me that there are weird people out there.
But, even at 75 years of age, I guess I must learn my lessons, and move on. The lesson I’ve learned is that I should quit paying for a blog that gives an audience to the creeps that sit at their computers all day and badmouth the world they think doesn’t appreciate them. I should not sponsor a medium that is abused by some very sick, resentful people. I wish I could help them, and if they would identify themselves, perhaps I could email IHS to send a psychiatrist to help them deal with themselves.
At any rate, it isn’t worth it. Besides, it’s a pain in the neck for people to figure out how to use it. (Just scroll down to the end of the posts). The blog will remain till the end of the week, then it’s Adios! Doksa akeh, aufwiedersehen, byebye. Whatever.
Be well, be happy, be cool. (To my nemeses, “Get well, try to be happy, and chill.”)
Your good friend,
Chuck
July 12th, 2009 at 12:39 PM
'Ugly says:
Chuck will you with all your wisdom respond to "life" and "Msgt Keeble" so i/we can see the type of balance you have...why are posts asserting blood quantum seen as 'ugly or 'bigotted' its a fact we all have to live with
but factors HUGE into the sort of upbringing we had. I observed white people and even mixed bloods being held in suspicion in my life-I was born in 1960-on tribal lands in SD! I grew up in a tarpaper
shack, by the way with family and relatives who saw the coming times as sad! Young teens were raised to check on ELDERS especially before/ during/after blizzards to make sure they had soup, water and a fire-ALL FOR NO THOUGHT OF CHARGE! Really get into chuck because it may help you grow if you let it!
July 12th, 2009 at 10:56 AM
Chuck says:
Thanks, Ridger. I think I know who you are. E-mail me. I'd like to talk to you about some photos I have just come across. Always good to hear from you.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:35 AM
Pine Ridger says:
Hey, Chuck, I read your latest column on greatst generation and it was right on. I knew Tommy well and I am related to Vincent Brewer. They are great people. Thanks for remembering them. Keep up the good work.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:32 AM
Msgt Keeble Admirer says:
Chuck get a grip on yourself! using profanity on the web-only a white man would do that and you call yourself an 'elder' [to whom I ask]? modesty is a Lakota virtue which may only be handed down to, sorry, chuck, 4/4 kids. I look to Msgt. Woody Keeble as a true SD Native! His story demonstrates what a real full-blood is about! To be a leader
you have to care about others!
Not passing in review every chance you can make chuck! Modesty is not a white man thing! I bet you have a home decorated with mainstream-ness
Know what Webster is doing now, in his 80's? Humbly being the Sgt-at-arms at RST council for NO PAY! Shagging documents for arrogant young mixed-blood council reps...he is an ELDER! He never left his people for long-only when war {Korea} or tribal causes called {NCAI, etc, SD Gov's Office} called. Msgt Keeble fought valiantly in TWO wars and was denied due acclaim until last year! chuck, you so-called elder, were you at the SD Legislature as Gov Rounds and BOTH Houses stood in admiration to a humble SD full-blood who only cared that his men in TWO wars came home alive? Plzz respond to this! White guys who did way less than Msgt got MOHs in both wars but he just came home to South Dakota and worked with the youth! If you don't know this chuck, it may be because you're out of touch, may be always have been
July 12th, 2009 at 10:22 AM
Heyoka ta Pejuta says:
I feel all the more intent in doing this because of the ugly post you got on your blog. Blood means little. It is the result of a series of accidents we had nothing to do with. How can we be proud of something we had nothing to do with? I am proud to have a Lakota name. Does that make me Lakota? Of course not. But it still carries responsibilities I feel strongly. I know for a fact that blood doesn't do that. No one I know is better equipped to help a pathetic Lakota like Two Kettles (Oonhenumpa)and Get a Life (both the same anonymous sniper) become a REAL Lakota. His words are not only written in anger and hate but in ignorance. Even being full blood, living on the Rez, does not carry with it an entitlement to superiority. I will pray today for him as much as anyone.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:52 AM
Chuck says:
Get a Life: I'm fine, thanks for caring. I know Gene Thin Elk and Webster Two Hawk very well and for many years. No they are not bigots, because I've never heard from them any shit like I heard from Lorenzo in the past and from brave anonymous full-blood to whom I responded (in your mind, so violently it made you concerned about my health). Talk about "get a life."
July 12th, 2009 at 9:40 AM
Get A Life says:
Wow, chuck are you OK? It appears this full-blood Lakota got your goat! Why? I like your parting shot-'Your elder' but I doubt they believe that! How come you call full-bloods who probably suffer more blatant discrimination than a mixed-blood like you BIGOTS? Seems chuck and I know you're wounded and have to call in your cavalry herein but how come if we don't trip over your perceived greatness-elder staus-you attack? Maybe this Lakota esteems full-blood
like Gene Thin Elk or Webster
Two Hawk or Andrew Black Wolf?
Are they still bigots to you?Per surnames, full-bloods were
targets of harsher treatment all around [i.e..sioux not Lakota 'enemy' v. 'ally'] than
mixed-blood colloborators and were stuck with euro surnames but I bet they know they Lakota names but also know its sacred and not to be used to be 'more indian!'
July 12th, 2009 at 8:50 AM
Pisko says:
Yeah, Chashasha...how come I was born a thoroughbred 100% German and still had to go to school to learn the language? Shouldn't it just come along with that pure blood line? I think it is WONDERFUL that some enrolled Lakots have traced the family tree and found that not a single Pawnee, Ree, or Crow captive ever found his or her way into the mix. A true miracle indeed.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:28 AM
heyjude says:
Good for you, Uncle. You can be full blood but full of "it" as well. Natives who need to be attacking other Natives make it much easier to defeat us. How non-Native is it to attack your brother. We are all related. Keep strong and keep posting, Elder.
July 11th, 2009 at 8:25 PM
chuck says:
Oonhenumpa (Two Kettles?): I am giving you the words here of an e-mail I sent to a person who sent me the same kind of message some weeks ago. I sent this message without much delay so it isn't as diplomatic as I would usually try to be with bigots who pose behind the sanctimonious figure of Full-Blood. The full-blook person I wrote this to, by the way, had the Lakota courage to identify himself by his European surname:
"I have to admit -- no, I freely admit with great pride-- that I am mixed blood, an Iyeska Lakota. My great grandfather married a full blood woman of Spotted Tails's band, which resulted in my grandfather being one half. He married an Oglala full blood woman, which made my mother three quarters Lakota. My mother married a good and kind white man, which makes me three eights of very proud Oglala. I see nothing wrong with that, and there wouldn't be a helluva lot I could do if I did have problems with it.
I have communicated with you before, Lorenzo, and tolerated your arrogant attitude. But I do resent your insinuation that I am not a real Lakota unless I meet what you seem to think is your right to determine. That right, that decision in mine. And it is made with great pride, and there is not a damn thing you can do about it. I don't know who the hell you think you are. I know who I am, but you seem to have a problem with who you are, and what you are."
This is my answer to you also, whoever or whatever you are.
Your elder,
Chuck Trimble
July 11th, 2009 at 5:39 PM
Oohenunpa says:
Chuck, I want to know why mixed bloods like you-less than 1/2 blood-insist on being Lakota when you are more white than Lakota? Do you have thinking which is certainly white and not Lakota? I as a full-blood, we are probably only 10% of the Lakota nation now. I have alot
of thoughts that don't fit in the mainstream society and as I spend quiet time with them I believe the Creator imparts to me, its because you have no
white blood in you! Someone like you though who is mostly white, do you have occasion to
realize that some of your thinking is white and you almost have to repress them to be a Lakota? In your generation, especially Wanblee
area, it was taboo to associate with whites, let alone have kids with them, right? I know you had no choice in this but weren't white men impregnating Lakota women held in major suspicion because it was assumed that they were trying to get at the land a generation down the road? Lakota country is the best grazing land in North America! Plzz take time to answer this ASAP!
July 11th, 2009 at 10:42 AM
Chuck says:
Thanks, Anonymous. I appreciate your kind words. I make absolutely no pretense about speaking for anyone but
myself. I have been given much trust and have gained much experience over the years, and feel that it is my right, if not my duty, to offer insight that people can accept or reject, without trying to offend me personally.
July 6th, 2009 at 5:42 PM
Anonymous says:
No one speak for everyone, but you do speak as an elder for many who know your long history of fighting for Native rights and educating the non-Native world about who we are. Thank you for serving on the front lines during desperate and dangerous times. You speak as an elder to me.
July 6th, 2009 at 5:31 PM
Full-Blooded Lakota says:
trimble neither you nor tim giago is an elder to me! Both of you need to take Lakota 101
You two old mixed-bloods are boring and neither of you are even half-breeds but both of you insist on 'bogarting'ink Lakota Country and beyond with
your purported insight on res life, you make me want to hurl
Yes trimble I am a full-blood from tribal lands in SD! Get a life or at least drift away!
July 3rd, 2009 at 8:46 PM
Chuck says:
Ig: You have a right to your opinion. I agree with you about those who try to outIndian everybody but don't try hard enough to learn anything about our people. I think we're being seen as a bunch of perpetual whiners with no sense of humor even.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:48 AM
lgnature says:
i am writing to you about the fighting sioux nickname and logo. i am personally a big fan of just the name and logo.it doesn't really matter to me what league they are in in the sports world, however it makes everything alittle better with some wins under the belt.but the biggest problem i have is how all these people are shaking there fist at whoever is disrespecting the name "sioux". i think the biggest disrespect to us as a people and as a nation of this country, is the ones shaking there fists can't even say 1 sentence in their own language, let alone carry on a WHOLE conversation with a fluent speaker. people NEED to understand that being indian is more then just dancing and singing at a powwow, or wearing something with native pride on it, or having an enrollment number, it's about carrying on what our ancestors had and handed down to us to give to future generations.i guess everything i have said is my own opinion and i do know that i am intitled to my own opinion.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:59 AM
Ed Z says:
Chuck, Yes, this the same Ed Z. from Omaha. I will be in touch. I am teaching a summer Native Studies Class at UNO starting next week, and this would make a great class project. I will email you!
June 18th, 2009 at 7:53 PM
Chuck Trimble says:
B. That is the Camp Goose Pond I was talking about in my column, and it was near Lake Wallenpaupac. The Wannabee dancer was from Dunmore. Nice guy.
June 18th, 2009 at 2:59 PM
Chuck Trimble says:
Ed: I will take you up on your offer. If you're the Ed Z I know, we're both in Omaha. Get in touch.
June 18th, 2009 at 2:56 PM
Nancy Schupp says:
Just discovered not too long ago your site, but have read your articles on indianz. Your blog on Wilma Man Killer a name which I just love along with Cecelia Fire Thunder. During election they taslked of Hilary Clinton breaking the glass ceiling I think some of the the Native American women broke it a long time ago. Also enjoy your get go at Tim Giago. think my favorite NA writer is Jodi Rave. Thanks for being a part of all the good things I read. Nancy
June 18th, 2009 at 1:53 PM
Eddie Gray Owl says:
how about the fighting sioux cry-babies ... people are so tired of us "poor" redskins whinning about everything ... it is old, to old ... get a life.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:19 AM
B says:
Just read your "Out-Indianing a Wannabee" and had to comment. Few years back, a friend asked us to help him with his son's Scout group that wanted to start a drum and dance team. So we taught them a few songs, nice kids, liked teaching them. So we get invited to their camp for a section gathering. One of the visting Scout groups put on an "Indian" show that was really terrible. Our hosts felt horrible, and invited all that were interested back to our campsite to ask us why the "show" was so bad. While we were having the discussion, someone asked us to sing some songs. They wanted "real" indian songs. So we started with a few intertribals, and then sang a few 49ers. I guess we offended a minister or something cause we were asked to leave, and not very politely. The camp was Goose Pond in the Poconos of PA.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:46 AM
Ed Zendejas says:
RE: Demise of "Fighting Sioux"
I recently wrote a book entitled "Mascots That Honor Indians" where among other things, I offer alternatives to Indian mascots used by 25 Nebraska high schools.
As for your call for alternatives to "Fighting Sioux" I offer a couple:
1. UND "Fighting Flickertails" or the "Fighting Flicks!" This would combine their old mascot The Flickertails with their current "Fighting" mascot. A Flickertail is a squirrel.
2. UND Navigators. The UND Aviation program has won more national championships than their hockey program. The UND "Navs" would be easy to market.
I am having my son produce actual mascots that will be posted on honorindians.com in the coming days. I would suggest an on-line poll, which I would be happy to host on my website, to offer alternatives to the "Fighting Sioux". Let me know if you are up to it!
June 11th, 2009 at 11:05 AM
heyjude says:
I like your article, too. What is your take the the McDonald's happy meal custer toy? I was thinking we should drown it in catsup!
June 10th, 2009 at 12:16 PM
Siobhan Noble says:
I liked your article about the retirment of the Fighting Sioux name at the UND. I for one am happy the name is gone. Why have a mascot that is offensive to some people? It's not important enough to keep it. Anyway -- here's my suggestions for a new name: 1. The blizzards (2) The Sunflowers (3) the Prarie Dogs (4) The Bears ('cuz the North Dakotan's would pronounce it like they did on Saturday Night Live, and last but not least (5) the Tornados.
June 9th, 2009 at 11:26 PM
Shirley says:
Grandpa,
I like the blogs and think you should keep it up! Good history lessons.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:12 PM
heyjude cornelius says:
I don't know. I remember that he said it sounded like Cornelius. He also told me that they just ran through the alphabet -- naming Able, Baker, or some such arrangement. I would like to spend some time at Oneida to try to figure out what our name was. It is such a shame that so much has been lost.
May 18th, 2009 at 4:09 PM
chuck says:
HeyJude: It was your dad who told me about the Cornelius name, I'm sure. Do you have any idea what the family name should have been?
May 18th, 2009 at 12:52 PM
heyjude cornelius says:
I like your article. As I was reading the thought occurred to me that names were also shortened for writers' convenience. For instance, the full name was Young man, of whom the enemy was afraid, even of his horses. Same sort of shortening happened to such names as Afraid of Bear, etc.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:48 AM
Siobhan says:
I'm glad to hear your comments about the Wounded Knee documentary on the "We Shall Remain" series. It was particularly nice to see all the historical video footage -- it really made the siege come to life for me. (I was barely one when it happened). I'm glad they ended the series with this episode -- it WAS uplifting and conveyed the struggle for American Indian rights is, and should continue to be ongoing, and not a matter of the past. And I agree with you about the work done by AIM and was pleased that this doc showed them as they were, warts and all.
May 13th, 2009 at 3:27 PM
chuck says:
Wounded Knee Occupation. I saw the segment of We Shall Remain about the Wounded Knee occupation by AIM in 1973. I was there as Director of the National Congress of American Indians working to assist the Tribal President Dick Wilson deal with the situation. I found tonight's show very enlightening and inspiring. I think that AIM worked to do what they saw was the right thing for all Indian people.
May 11th, 2009 at 8:34 PM
Chuck says:
Madeline: Good to hear from you. That's about East Indians from India, so I think no American Indians or Native Americans would feel offended.
May 8th, 2009 at 11:19 AM
Madeline says:
Hi Chuck,
I ran into something that was interesting and not sure if it was insulting to Indians or the truth and wanted to get your perception of it.
This article: http://tunnelvision.sulekha.com/blog/post/2007/06/the-arrogant-indians.htm
May 8th, 2009 at 10:49 AM
chuck says:
Decolonization, we are led to believe, is the ultimate state in our long struggle to realize and perfect our sovereignty, which we are a long way from doing. The movers of decolonist doctrine are, as far as I know, not organized in a political movement, but are scattered, mostly in academia, throughout the country. Instead of sulking in their tents, clipping each others articles on the subject and communicating via the internet, they should meet and devise a manifesto defining that ultimate dream?
In the meantime, do we wait for that utopian state, and resist tainting ourselves – or, rather, protecting our people from tainting themselves -- with capitalism and other evil manifestations of our colonized state, while they grow poorer and poorer and too weak and dependent to fight our ultimate battle for independence?
May 6th, 2009 at 8:36 AM
Chuck says:
And forgive me for misspelling your name which was...Duh...right in front of me.
May 4th, 2009 at 3:02 PM
Chuck says:
Thanks, Siobbahn. You're right about the name. It is something I heard friends talk about, and thought I would bring it up online to see what kind of response it would get. Thanks for the encouragement to keep writing. There will be a number of columns more later today in the archives of this site. Again, wopila. Thanks.
May 4th, 2009 at 2:52 PM
Siobhan says:
I enjoy reading your columns, and am glad you set up this website. I think you made a good choice in editing out the section about Wilma Man Killer in your column about native names. I'll bet that having the name Man Killer worked both ways for her. While some feminists may have lauded the name, It was probably quite off-putting to some, especially because she was a strong woman. It is certainly a name you don't forget, and I'm glad that she chose to stick with the name no matter what people thought about it. P.S: I hope you do continue to write columns about Wounded Knee II (or III, as you so wittily pointed out). Your columns are sensitive and well thought as opposed to the diatribes we hear from Giago/and certain AIM folks.
May 4th, 2009 at 1:52 PM
chuck trimble says:
Below is a paragraph I removed from a recent column I did on Indian names, wisely, I think. And I don't mean to disparage Dr Man Killer or diminish her wide reputation. However, I think it's something to think about.
Indian names can be a boon to one’s career -- Wilma Man Killer, for example. Without questioning her leadership qualities or achievements, I only use her very noble name as an example. But it’s interesting to question, would an Indian man have benefited from the name Wilmer Woman Killer? He’d be scorned as a domestic abuser, and might be forced to change his name. But Man Killer is different, because in the ideology of many in the feminist movement, which lavishly celebrates Dr. Man Killer, that is what should happen to most men anyway. But even following the feminist agenda in neutralizing terms such as chairman to chairperson, if Wilma’s name was Person Killer, would she have received the attention and the career boost she has gotten from her name?
May 4th, 2009 at 10:51 AM
chuck trimble says:
Thank you Barbara. I agree that we must keep history alive, and truthful. We must never forget what happened, although we might forgive and try to reconcile the past.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:41 AM
Barbara says:
I was born and raised on Pine Ridge and escaped when I was 17 during the time of Wilson and AIM. I have never returned no matter how badly I missed my tiospaye. The brutalization that I endured stays with me today. I am glad that you still discuss those things that happened, not because we aren't "moving on" but more so that we don't repeat the past.
Toksa,
Barbara
April 25th, 2009 at 10:03 AM
Barbara says:
I was born and raised on Pine Ridge and escaped when I was 17 during the time of Wilson and AIM. I have never returned no matter how badly I missed my tiospaye. The brutalization that I endured stays with me today. I am glad that you still discuss those things that happened, not because we aren't "moving on" but more so that we don't repeat the past.
Toksa,
Barbara
April 25th, 2009 at 10:03 AM
Chuck Trimble says:
Tim Giago’s Lack of Ethics in the Indian Press…
As I watch a strange new development in the American Indian American press unfolding I am reminded of a story in Lakota mythology I had heard many years ago. This is about a creature called Iya, a giant that gobbles up everything in its way to satisfy its insatiable hunger for power. This modern day Iya I’m talking about is the much heralded re-entry of Tim Giago into the world of publishing with his new weekly Native Sun News.
Tim flouts the risk of getting back into the newspaper business in these perilous economic times that have seen the bankruptcy of much larger and long-standing newspapers and several Native newspapers. In fact, he plays on that great risk to magnify the humanitarian purposes he says he means to serve. In announcing the venture several weeks ago, he wrote that he is daring fate for the tribal people who are direly need a “watchdog” to keep in check their tribal governments. For tribal government, he says, have for many years run roughshod over their people. His new newspaper would be that watchdog.
In an interview on National Public Radio, which aired on April 1st, he claimed that his new paper was only to reach out to serve poor people who don’t have Internet communication and must rely on the printed word. According to him, these people, mostly on the reservations, are not being served by the press.
Several years ago, Giago had convinced a Lakota entrepreneur to finance a newspaper, the Lakota Country Times, and served as advisor to help set it up. It appeared that he meant to have the paper as his own publication, with another interested party paying for it. This would help him circumvent the no-compete clause he agreed when he sold his Indian Country Today newspaper to the Oneida Tribe of New York.
However, when he was offered the Lakota Country Times for purchase four years ago, he declined, saying that it carried too much debt, which is another way of saying that if he bought it he would be carrying too much debt.
Recently the Lakota Country Times was purchased by a young Lakota couple with a loan they secured from the Lakota Fund. But now they are faced with a heavy-handed rival in the Native Sun News, and they are rightfully concerned about their survival.
In an email he taunted them: “Subscribers (sic) are pouring in since we announced our new paper. They all say, ‘Thank god your back (sic). There isn’t another Indian paper worth the paper it is printed on.’ I hate to tell you that.” In another, he tells them, “You guys want war with me you will get it.” Then he assures them that “We will meet you and beat you on a level playing field.”
From my business experience, I understand that this is pure and simply business. And I know that the business world is often ruthless, especially in these economic times when survival means dog-eat-dog competition. That should be understood and expected by any person who gets into any business, including the young Native couple who purchased the Lakota Country Times.
But there is something unfair here. It is not a level playing field. For Giago’s name-recognition, gained over many years of self-promotion, and the altruistic motives that he claims, get him access to the major media like National Public Radio. His story as told to the NPR interviewer is that of an elderly Lakota, undaunted by the challenge of the deep recession and economic pitfalls, preparing to fight for what is noble and just for his people.
But his actions show another side of Giago than the brave and noble tribal elder. His sanctimonious pronouncements don’t hold up in the dirty tactics he employs against this small local Indian-owned journal, and possibly others in his initial market area.
That is what rubs me as wrong. He movingly tells the NPR host of his earnest desire to give to the poor computerless masses of Indian people something “they can hold in their hands and read as they enjoy a cup of coffee.” But this loses something when he works to destroy the Lakota Country Times, which local readers on the Pine Ridge and Rosebud Reservations are already holding in their hands and reading.
Beyond that, he uses his new journal to spread inaccuracies or outright lies about the Lakota Country Times, telling in the latest issue of the Native Sun News that the Times is up for sale and has been offered to three separate prospective, including himself, but could find no buyers. This story appears to be meant to hurt the reputation of the Times’ in the eyes of their readers and advertisers. After all, who would want to subscribe to a newspaper, or advertise in one that is on the ropes and ready to go under?
This is at best unethical, and at worst possibly libelous, in my opinion.
I will always remember in 1971 when board members of the brand-new American Indian Press Association were putting together the final documents of the organization. We were meeting in the National Press Club in Washington, DC. Fixed to a pillar in the great hall there was a brass plaque quoting Joseph Pulitzer, for whom the greatest prize in journalism is named, and it read as follows:
"An able, disinterested, public-spirited press, with trained intelligence to know the right and courage to do it, can preserve that public virtue without which popular government is a sham and a mockery. A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will produce in time a people as base as itself. Our Republic and its press will rise and fall together."
The Board members all copied down that quote on paper and in our hearts. It is something that should be restored in the collective soul of the Native American Press today, especially that of Tim Giago.
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Charles Trimble is Oglala Lakota, born, raised on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation. He was principal founder of the American Indian Press Association in 1970, and served as executive director of the National Congress of American Indians from 1972-78. He may be reached at cchuktrim@aol.com. Check out his website at iktomisweb.com.
April 17th, 2009 at 1:17 PM
Chuck Trimble says:
When I write my column, I always try to think of those who will be reading it. And when I write something negative about a person, I try to keep in mind that my words will be read by people who love him, or who have fond memories of him if he’s passed on: his children, grandchildren, other relatives, and dear friends. I have had uneasy feelings as I wrote columns on the actions of Richard “Dick” Wilson in his tenure as President of the Oglala Sioux Tribe during the tumultuous times in the 1970s. My words were not kind to him, and, I’m sure, much resented by those who survive him in his family especially.
I have dreaded the thought of meeting any of his relatives; not out of fear, but more out of my distaste for any confrontation. But recently I received an e-mail from a person I guessed rightly was Dick’s grandson. He asked if I would call him; that he would like to talk with me. For reasons of my own privacy, I do not talk with anyone on the phone regarding my columns, and told him so. However, I do welcome comments and criticism of my writing, and that is why I always list my e-mail address and website. I did write a lengthy e-mail to him giving some of my thoughts justifying my columns. I received an answer from him that was very articulate, enlightening, and courteous. With his permission, I am including parts of that e-mail below.
His name is Ryan Wilson, and he has a great background of achievement, including having served as President of the National Indian Education Association. I will make it a point of learning more about him, and meeting him personally in the future. But his note got me to thinking deeply into my own attitudes as I write from the pulpit of the press, especially as a columnist.
I often criticize writers on historical inaccuracy, fabrications and exaggerations, particularly when I feel that the writer is twisting history to make his own point of contention. But for my part, I too have been remiss in not giving the whole story when I wrote about Dick Wilson. Although I still condemn the violence sanctioned during his time in office, I have never presented the backdrop of those times, and the great pressure on him and his family, from outside forces, the press, national church organizations, and many in the tribal communities.
I have never written how those times on the Pine Ridge Reservation split families apart over ideologies, issues and actions. In 1973, I went to Pine Ridge as Executive Director of NCAI to assist the tribal government, especially their President. There I found myself at times alienated from members of my family on both sides of the ongoing confrontation.
I watched as the U.S. Marshals came on the scene, dressed in light blue jumpsuits, and watched them unpack their rifles from cases and fix telescopic sights to them. They were arrogant and intimidating, and had no regard for the tribal government or its president. They spread an air of tension, probably not much different from what federal troops spread during the time of the Wounded Knee massacre eighty-three years earlier. It was martial law, pure and simple, and Dick Wilson was no longer in control. But it was in such situations that he made decisions, and listened to advice that resulted in what were clearly vigilante actions. It was goading by the press that led him to belligerent outbursts that they used with glee. But I believe he was sincere in his belief that it was the right thing and the only thing he could do.
I do remember sitting in the Wilson home on one occasion, having a beer with him and helping him devise press relations strategy to get his message out, and working with him to ameliorate the situation, which he would agree to. But there were some in the goon squad that had no use for me or for my family, and didn’t like the idea of amelioration.
But those days are gone, albeit not in the memories of some -- perhaps many -- left bitter by the experience of loved ones being brutalized. I can never and will never forget some of the things that happened to my brother and family members at the hands of the goons. And I have written only in response to Tim Giago’s efforts to justify the actions of the goon squads, and even to praise them.
But I have written enough about that. It is time perhaps for a new reconciliation -- individually and community wide – putting aside those times, and starting anew to a better future. Hanging on to bitterness too is victimhood in a sense, and it is time to move beyond that.
Here are some of the things Ryan Wilson wrote in his letter to me:
“The Wilson family has produced doctors, lawyers, educators, and war heroes. I know we are all proud of our families. I am very proud of Dick as well and remember him fondly from my youth. I have never felt a need to defend him or justify his actions. I still remember at his funeral which many said was the largest held on our reservation the incredible outpouring of grief and love, as I watched on I wondered silently how could one person be so loved and hated at the same time. As I grew older and emerged as the president of NIEA and leader in the language revitalization movement many people came forward from our homelands to offer encouragement and support regardless of their affiliations.
“I could be wrong, Charles, but I sense broad based support in our tribe to heal and move forward. Perhaps I have no status to say this but I want to say in a good way its time to let it go and use your ink for something more positive. What more could possibly be said about Wounded Knee that hasn't already been said from your perspective? There comes a time when everyone needs to say enough is enough.
April 15th, 2009 at 7:17 AM
mike kohr says:
I look forward to reading your posts.
mike kohr
mkohr@dishmail.net
April 6th, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Chuck Trimble says:
I will be posting comments and columns here daily, and welcome you to add yours.
April 6th, 2009 at 11:23 AM
Roger Nehring says:
So, who is Denis Lucey and who made him boss and arbiter of the hanbleceya? I Googled the name and found an Irish professor, a kid who works with fish and a contractor, plus lots of Irish lineage sites.
January 15th, 2010 at 3:51 PM